Jimenez Trade Rumors: Rockies Don’t Like Montero As Centerpiece

Via Jon Heyman of Sports Illustrated:

says person w/ ties to rox: “montero will not be the centerpiece of (ubaldo) deal.” theyll take him but not at best piece

This doesn’t mean that the Rockies don’t want Montero, you can bet they do. It more likely means that they want Manny Banuelos or Dellin Betances as the centerpiece for any trade involving Ubaldo Jimenez. The Yankees have said that they won’t include Banuelos, Betances, or even Ivan Nova in any deal that already includes Montero.

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22 Responses to Jimenez Trade Rumors: Rockies Don’t Like Montero As Centerpiece

  1. David, Jr. says:

    Don't dismiss the idea of Hughes as the centerpiece, thereby allowing them to keep Banuelos and Betances.

    • I actually would prefer this. Hughes has been decent, but not the pitcher he was advertised as being when he was a prospect. They said he was a four pitch pitcher, but so far he really only ever has three at best and one is usually below average. Not much consistency and he's arbitration eligible at the end of the season so he's going to start making a lot of money.

  2. David, Jr. says:

    The only thing is that for the Rox that level of team control might not be enough compared to what they would give up.

  3. Susan says:

    I agree, let's deal Hughes while he still has at least some trade value. In a couple years he won't.

    • David, Jr. says:

      I meant that after thinking about what I said, I might have been wrong because somebody like Colorado wouldn't perceive much value because he isn't locked in under team control, contrasted with Ubaldo, who has a favorable long term contract.

  4. stevehenn says:

    Either a negotiating ploy or a sign that Montero is losing his title as a "top prospect." However, it's simple to understand that Colorao would want a plethora of young pitching in return for their ace, along with a bat such as Montero.

    Colorado's apparent initial asking price is ridiculous, but a trade is like buying a used car. However, I would argue that Colorado really doesn't want to deal its ace at the present time, especially with the kind of contract he has. I think that they are doing what they should be doing: listening for what they could get for their star player and maybe get lucky with a big payout.

    However Rob, I do have a question and I'd like your opinion. Not as a response for Colorado not wanting to center a potential deal around Montero, but do you get the sense that Jesus is losing his standing as one of the elite prospects in baseball? I mean, he's tough to find a position for, especially if he's not suited to be a long term catcher in the Major Leagues.

    • Essentially, there might be one or two GM's that would prefer Banuelos, but that also has to do with the fact that he's a lefty, a pitcher, and damn good himself. However, there probably aren't a lot of smart people that liked Montero a year ago that have given up on him now. He's still one of the youngest in AAA and it's not like he has gotten worse defensively. The change in his value is probably negligible.

  5. Chris Jesper says:

    ^ agreed 100% with what you said. still, ubaldo would look nice behind sabathia.

  6. stevehenn says:

    He's better than what they currently have behind CC, but would his stuff/makeup translate well into the pressures of New York and the AL East? I'm not well informed on his makeup, but it's hard not to like his stuff. Also, they'd have to give up a lot for him, but in the end, the players that will comprise of "a lot" are still prospects. However, it would be difficult to watch, for example Montero, rake in Colorado and Betances and or Banuelos mow down hitters in Colorado (if they pan out as prospects of course)

  7. Susan says:

    It's too bad we can't unload Burnett for Jiminez.

  8. BillyBall15 says:

    Imagine this for one second. Two years down the road….

    Delin Betances from Brooklyn NY becomes the ace for the Rockies with a 3.5 era and overpowering K’s to BB. He makes all star team, of course pitching in the weak national league along side fellow former Yankee farmhand all stars (Ian Kennedy and Jeff Karstens). Jesus Montero becomes a 35 Hr 120 RBI guy batting fourth in front of Troy tulowitzki. ivan Nova with his 4.00 era in the American league is the Rockies number two starter winning 16 games per year. The Rockies are contending each season.

    Now to the yankees, Ubaldo jimenez wins 16 games in the american league with a 4.15 era and diminished fastball. He is inconsistent and really a number two pitcher. Factor in Arod is struggling to hit 30+ HR’s and 100Rbi’s and the Yankee lineup lacks legit power as Texiera is inconsistent. The younger Red Sox dominate the division. The Yankees lineup looks old and cannot produce runs on consistent basis. Oh yeah and Ubaldo Jimenez hits free agency in 2013 and decides he does not like NY and NY does not like him so he leaves……
    Now you just traded away good young players for a pitcher with an attitude and diminished fastball. Yankee fans who wanted this trade will be blaming Cashman and calling for him to be fired.

    Think about what you are giving up. If you are willing to back up the truck for a national league pitcher with an attitude and herky jerky motion as well as a diminished fastball struggling to hit 92 numerous games this year (FACT), than lets go for it. ………

    Im not trading more than one of our big prospects for anyone not named King Felix or Clayton Kershaw.

    • stevehenn says:

      I agree with you, and you present a scenario that is on many minds. I wouldn't take these early trade talks that seriously, since it has been reported that there haven't been talks exchanging names.

      If they do get serious, it's hard not to think of what the future of the big prospects could be, but fact of the matter is, Ubaldo gives the Yankees the a better chance of winning a championship this season, and that's always been the Yankees goal.

      Either way, it's a risk no matter how it ends.

      • Ubaldo gives the Yankees a better chance to win this year and into the future. He's only 27 and he's signed for the next two years to an extremely cheap contract.

    • This is a doomsday scenario that isn't likely to happen. First of all, it is a FACT that Jimenez's fastball has not dropped below 92 mph in any games this year. http://www.fangraphs.com/fgraphs/3374_P_FA_201107

      Jimenez does NOT have an attitude problem. There was a report that he was sulking this season that was vehemently shot down by the Rockies GM, who said he was one of the best people he's ever met in baseball.

      Second of all, Kennedy and Karstens are nobody to worry about missing out on. You might as well be upset they lost Dustin Moseley if you are worried about losing either of those two. They are the definition of national league pitchers.

      The Yankees average age is about 31, the Red Sox average age is 30.5. They trade prospects all the time too so unless something else happens it isn't realistic that the Yankees will be significantly older than them in any short period of time.

      The one significant issue that you brought up that somewhat worries me is A-Rod and Teixeira's age and the fact that it would be nice to have Montero around for that reason. Most of everything else you said is pure exaggeration.

      Also, Dellin Betances is not from Brooklyn. He was born in Washington Heights and moved to the Lower East Side later on. He just went to HS in BK.

      • Matt C says:

        Karstens was no bigger a prospect than Adam Warren when the Yankees dealt him, and the Rox are not likely interested in Warren (or Phelps or anyone other than the top guys).

        The Rox are saying they want a Herschel Walker deal and I don't blame them. I think the Yanks should sit this one out unless the price goes down, which I don't see happening. The Rockies GM is looking to strike gold – if he doesn't he'll still have a twenty-something arm going into 2012 making reasonable money.

        The Rangers got Feliz, Andrus, and Matt Harrison (not to mention Saltalamacchia) from the Braves for Tex. The Tribe got Sizemore, Cliff Lee, and Brandon Phillips for Colon. I just don't think that Jimenez has a long enough track record/upside to warrant that kind of package and the risk that goes with it.

  9. gcx302 says:

    BillyBall – Good comment even though I don't agree with the assessment of Jiminez (think he is and will be a legit #2 pitcher – now matter WHAT team he plays for).

    As for the trade itself of the idea of the Yankees ONLY letting go of top prospects for one of the ELITE pitchers in MLB (Lee, Hernandez, etc.) – first – NOT going to happen. Second, if the Yanks cannot upgrade the current staff (they COULD BE good, but simply TOO many questions/holes) they have – they will go to the playoffs – but NOT get past the first round.

    It is that simple, and about the same deal EVERY year with the Yankees. Do they do ALL possible to get a true #2 starter – or do they try to finesse, trick, etc, other teams into giving up a top-quality starter for lesser prospects. Do you think that all GM's are idiots?

    Yanks can and will contend every year – but for those fans who really want that legit shot at getting to the World Series at least every 2nd to 3rd year – the Yankees MUST HAVE at least two top flight pitchers. To me (other than consideration to Andy Pettite – a true warrior) – the only pitchers of this caliber that they have had in the past 10 years are CC and Roger Clemens. They simply have NOT been able to produce a true ACE (ala, Lincecum, Hamels, etc.) from their minor league system (** their has also been bad luck involved of course, such as the case in the mid-1990's with "can't miss" prospect Brien Taylor…, and then the decision by current top minor league prospect Cole Gerritt to go to college and not sign with the Yanks…)

    Now, once again the decision: Pass on legitimate #2 (again – Yanks are NOT going to get a #1 type at any point in the near future – but if they can keep CC… really don't need that anyway) OR, wait and see if your current top prospects (Banuelos and Bettances) can be that #2 guy.

    If you are of the opinion that Banuelos, Bettances – or both – will be a legitimate #1 or #2 starter – then yes – don't worry about a WS appearance this year – just wait for these guys and focus on 2012 and 2013.

    **By the way – my opinion: I would rather trade a prospect ANY DAY – then trade a young pitcher who has proven himself and not had "issues".

    What does that mean? It means that I would NOT trade Ivan Nova – but I would trade Phil Hughes. Nova will not likely ever be a #2 spot pitcher – but he has proven solid and simply developed along nicely – without any glaring setbacks. That to me – makes him a solid #3 or
    #4 pitcher – for any team – Yankees included. Hughes on the other hand – flashes of being a good #2 or #3 and still a decent amount of potential. But has had quite a few issues along the way – and he has been in the Yankees overall system for over 7 years now… He is still young, but JUST ONCE I would like to see the Yankees have an "immediate bang guy" – like a Tim Lincecum or Matt Cain, who come in and are fantastic right from their first year…

    All this said – here is a trade I would sign off on: Hughes, Bettances, and one other prospect for Jiminez. (**leave Banuelos out of the picture, and Montero also since the rumor is that the Rockies are not that fixated on Montero).

  10. Joe says:

    I wouldn't let go of neither Banuelos or Betances but I would package Montero, Nova, and another prospect for Ubaldo. Look at his numbers away from Coors this year 2.28ERA 0.90WHIP .158BAA SICK!! and almost identical to 2010 road numbers. So basically away from Coors he's the BEST pitcher in MLB(don't sleep on this guy). I'm not ready to give up on Hughes just yet either. IMO he showed a ton of promise out of the pen that year and I think he's about to come around as a starter, I think he has good front end stuff, Nova not as much.

  11. John says:

    I agree Ubaldo would help the Yankees today and in the future but the Rockies have said it would take a "Herschel Walker type deal" to get him
    that is most likely just big timing but still I just dont see a team giving up a guy they can control and is that good that young like King Felix aswell.
    Love to get either though trust me.
    Have a great night Yankees fans and lets hope we see Tampa knocked down the standings.