Cashman Will Not Let A-Rod’s Opt-Out Effect Dealing with Sabathia

When Alex Rodriguez‘s opt-out clause was looming following the 2007 season, Yankees general manager Brian Cashman made it very clear that if he opted-out of his deal that the two sides would not negotiate another deal.

Obviously it didn’t exactly happen that way and A-Rod signed a mega deal with Hank Steinbrenner (who has lost all practical power since) and without his agent Scott Boras as well.

However this time around with CC Sabathia it won’t be quite the same thing. Cashman told Mark Feinsand of the NY Daily News that one situation will have no barring on the other.

“I don’t think one has anything to do with the other,” Cashman said of the A-Rod/Sabathia comparison. “It may be something that needs to be addressed. He has a decision to make… He’s been an important part of our success and he’s someone we would obviously love to have stay with us.”

Translation: He is going to deal with Sabathia even if he opts-out of his deal.

Unlike with A-Rod a few years ago, CC will certainly have other suitors vying for his services. Also unlike A-Rod, Sabathia’s departure will have huge consequences as there are not obvious replacements for him on the free agent or trade markets.

Meanwhile, the Yankees biggest area of need is their starting rotation and searching for another front man as well as some middle of the rotation guys will be nearly impossible to do at the same time.

So it appears that opt-out or not, the Yankees will make their best effort to keep CC in the Bronx.

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17 Responses to Cashman Will Not Let A-Rod’s Opt-Out Effect Dealing with Sabathia

  1. David K. says:

    It's not my money they'd be throwing away by resiging him if he opts out, but I feel it would be a mistake to make another A-Rod type mega-contract. I think I speak for most Yankee fans on this one: he doesn't deserve any more money. Let him go if he opts out.

    • Fred says:

      You're right. Its not our money.

      But I want to see the Yankees put the best possible product on the field. That means Sabathia. If he isn't resigned the Yankees are almost certainly not winning the East, and you can write playoff success off right away. Sabathia has the Yankees by you-know-where and they basically have to pay him. Because if they don't the rotation goes from shaky to catastrophically bad.

      Its not the best of situations, but it really doesn't compare to the Arod saga at all. There are plenty of bats to go around, but not many consistent 20 game winning starters. And if you're talking about wasted money its pretty simple: the Yankees can have a 200 million dollar payroll and not make the postseason, or have a slightly higher payroll and be World Series competitors. That's the difference Sabathia makes.

      • David K. says:

        With the sole exception of 2009 playoffs, he has been horrible in the postseason as Gonzo says below. In the Texas-Detroit playoff right now, looks like almost every starting pitcher is doing better than Sabathia. Makes you think….

        • It should make you think about the importance of sample sizes when evaluating players. Just sayin.

          • Hardcore Yankee Fan says:

            His sample size in the playoffs is large enough to state that he has not been able to handle the pressure, and that's being VERY kind.

          • 15 games is not a very large sample size at all.

          • Hardcore Yankee Fan says:

            By your account, the vast majority of pitchers who have played in the post season cannot be judged on the most important games of their lives because of "sample size". You want to play the nerd computer and say statistical randomness or whatever, go ahead. But as a REAL fan, it matters most to me how he, or any pitcher, performs in such situations. And I WILL judge him based on how he does so.

            Now I like the guy because he has plenty enough good qualities to keep (up to certain point), but don't tell me that we should ignore his inability to get it done when it matters most. You really just don't get it.

            What's more, it's not a 15 game stretch in the same season, which would get some people talking anyway, it's 15 games spread over 6 different seasons. For someone who talks about "sample size", it amazes me that you're willing to buy into such a coincidence of poor play when the statistical odds of randomness would deem it a HUGE outlier that those games would result in an ERA so SIGNIFICANTLY higher than his regular season.

            Not to mention his inability to handle the Red Sox in the last couple of years. When you juxtapose that with his great pitching in low pressure situations, it's not such a small sample size and a very strong inverse relationship between pressure pitching and quality performance becomes prevalent.

          • David K. says:

            You got it right Hardcore, the small sample size argument might be made for one or two poor postseasons but not for a bunch of different series. Looks like the 2009 playoffs was a total aberration and this is what he really is: a very good pitcher overall but not very clutch. Wouldn't you kill for another Orlando Hernandez or Jimmy Key? Those guys were clutch.

          • David K. says:

            You can go ahead and dissect stats and the backs of bubble gum cards. We prefer to watch the games and critique based on yearlong performance.

          • Harcore Yankee Fan says:

            It is clear that you understand nothing about the mental aspect of the game and attribute performance solely to randomness. As if CC is a 3.00 ERA pitcher under any and all circumstances and that any deviation from that is pure random coincidence.

            Playoff baseball is not merely a test of baseball abilities, it is a test of who is able to handle pressure and who is not. That this OBVIOUS fact has totally gone over your head leaves me in a state of total incredulity. Now it I thought you were an outright moron, I wouldn't be so surprised. But you seem to get many things so why you think that ability to handle pressure is not a HUGE aspect of the game is beyond me.

            Just look at your own life experiences to see the endless examples where pressure came into play. The smart kid who can't test well when the clock is ticking. The pure shooter who can't make a basket in a game of "HORSE" when a bet is on the line. Or the bright coworker who wilts when a pressure deadline is injected into their tasks. It exists EVERYWHERE.

            Just look at CC's walk ratios, that should tell you what you need to know. If his poor play were solely attributed to BABIP, then you may have a case but you flat out don't and citing references of books I've read (and even if I hadn't) does nothing to give your comments ANY credibility. It just makes you lack credibility because you seem unable to support your supposition other than to say "small sample size". Your opinion shows small thinking power.

    • Cashman is so dumb, he is practically telling him opt out and I'll offer you more money.
      Sabathia is a good pitcher but of course he doesn't deserve more money,
      I have been saying it a lot, his numbers in postseasons are not only bad, are horrible, he is our best pitcher but there are other ways to get good pitchers and not only offering money that they don't deserve
      We don't need to overpay every single player to be a Yankee, that's not the way we found Pettitte, Jeter, Mariano, Bernie and Posada to destroy the 90s.
      Of course I would like to see my team winning every year, but we already have a good team and we can wait for Betances, Banuelos, Phelps and Warren.

    • Train says:

      You got that right. 90 plus Million and he wants more. Please, I finally got to yankee staduim for the first time in 6 years. have a family of 5. how much more do these guys need.

  2. Bronx_Knight says:

    Sabathia has us by the short hairs. He's a proven 20-game winner, was the second-best pitcher in the AL this year, and eats innings like boxes of Cap'n Crunch. His production cannot be replaced by anybody out there in the short term. He's currently owed $23 M per year for 4 years. We should at least be prepared to go to something like $25 M per year for 5 years. At least. I can guarantee you that the Yankees management knew this was going to happen when they game him the year-three opt-out.

  3. Bronx_Knight says:

    Oh, I did some math on CC: He pitched 237 innings this year, won 19 games, and got paid $23 million. That's $1,210,000 per win, $97,000 per inning, and $32,348 PER OUT.

    And that's the American pastime, folks.

  4. Tanned Tom says:

    Re-signing Sabathia is dicey. I'm uncomfortable with paying this fat guy big money past age 35. A very good pitcher, yes. But all the signs for a physical decline are there: 50 pounds overweight, had knee surgery last off season, has thrown a TON of innings, and wants to be paid top dollar past age 35. Just look at A-Rod to see how this could turn ugly for the Yanks. If he's prepared to be reasonable, then okay. Say add a year and small bump in pay, then okay. More than that and we may have to let him waddle away.

  5. Frank Spero says:

    boy i was right the boss must definitely be turning over in his grave these assholes (cash hank and little boss) are surely going to screw up the yankees they have somewhat done so already. no pitching last year, somehow pissing off cc, screwing with the farm, what the hell are they doing TRYING to act tough !!!!!!!!