Cashman: I still make the Pineda trade 10 times out of 10

Once the initial shock of the Michael Pineda/Jesus Montero wore off most fans understood the inherent risk involved, but liked that the Yankees upgraded their rotation, a weakness at the time, from an area of strength. Even on this site, only one regular reader spoke out against the trade even as other more pessimistic commentors liked the deal (here is the initial reaction piece).

Nobody was especially happy to give up Montero, but most fans realized his potential was limited as the presence of Russell Martin meant that he was more likely to end up as a DH with the Yankees and the Yankees needed that spot open for the likes of the aging Alex Rodriguez and other veterans.

It indeed did look like a great win-win type of trade for both teams involved at first and it was only months later when Andy Pettitte unexpectedly came out of retirement and Austin Romine came down with a back injury that anybody really openly questioned the trade.

Now the trade obviously looks bad. Pineda is done for a full year at a minimum and realistically may never be the same pitcher he once was. It is very likely that there is no chance that the Yankees will come out as “winners” in this deal. Still, that doesn’t change the fact that at the time this was a good deal. The Yankees needed to upgrade their pitching and were trying to do so while still being able to get under the $189 million luxury tax threshold by 2014 and this trade helped them do both at the same time.

“The deal we did I would do that 10 times out of 10,” Cashman told Joel Sherman of the NY Post. “Pitchers are risky. I knew that going in, but trying to find quality pitching is difficult. So my regret is [Pineda] went down, my regret is that we did not get his production, but I will not regret how we went about our business.

“It’s an unfortunate circumstance,” he added. “I can’t run and hide from it. This was my decision. Whatever comes from that, comes from that. I know we were very detailed and thorough. We had a physical in this process with X-rays and an MRI [exam]. This guy was clean. This guy was healthy. This is something that happened on our watch.”

The truth is that things like this happen. They can happen to any pitcher. It’s just part of the game. Hindsight is 20/20, but the Yankees did what they thought was best for the team at the time and nothing that has happened after that changes a thing. Sure, it ended up being a bad trade for them, but there is potential for that to happen in practically every deal.

This is not the Yankees fault, it’s not the Mariners fault, it’s just something that happens. At this point the only thing that we as Yankees fans can hope for is that Pineda is one of the rare cases where he pitches as well after shoulder surgery as he did before it and that Jose Campos turns into a real stud.

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7 Responses to Cashman: I still make the Pineda trade 10 times out of 10

  1. hotdog says:

    I'm hoping for the best…Curt Schilling seems very positive about this surgery…he added some mph to his fastball…i would have to assume that there are so many variable that you can't speak in certainties but I'd like to know more about what the doctors believe his prognosis is, given what they know right now…maybe that's impossible but how many pitchers come back after these surgeries unscathed…

  2. Gonzalo says:

    He makes that trade 10 out of 10 and we lose in that trade 9 out of 10, Pineda had just half season good, that's all, he wasn't Cain, Lincecum or Hamels. The same toughts Cashman had about Zack Greinke goes for Pineda

    • hotdog says:

      Greinke, Lincecum, Hamels and Cain I think were all round 1 draft picks that made it….Pineda came up through the Dominican League…Unfortunately the guys you mentioned were not available for the 2012 season…the way I see it, we traded a DH with unquestioned potential for a starting pitcher who looked like he could dominate hitters…none of the 4 guys you mentioned were stars their first year…not even sure if any made the all-star team…a 23 year with Pineda's potential was hard to pass up…it was a cost effective move and a smart one…i'm disappointed that this can't be proven right now…let's just hope he's ok and has a great career in pinstripes…

  3. David K. says:

    In order to have "a great career in pinstripes", he's going to have to develop his changeup, which is easier said than done having seen Phil Hughes (and many others) struggle with that pitch. I agree with Gonzalo here, Cashman is crazy. It was too much risk given all the circumstances.

    • hotdog says:

      David K…..heard you say that before…this is just a matter of opinion…if Pineda started off strong, most people would be singing a different tune…

      • Gonzalo says:

        I agree with that. we would be singing a different song but the important song is the one we are singing now, and It's a very bad one.

        Sorry for my english, sometimes it makes it difficult to explain my points. But I don't want Greinke playing for us. What I meant was that when he was available for a trade, everybody thought that he didn't have potential to play for the Yankees and It would have been nice thinking the same for Pineda, Greinke had won a Cy Young and still Cashman didn't like him. Pineda not only didn't have a Cy Young he didn't even have a full good year, why OMG, why trading for that.

        Another point: I wasn't comparing Cain, Hamels and Lincecum with Pineda at all. If we were going to trade Montero I would have prefered to include Betances or Banuelos in the package and bring one of them alone, without a Campos. Pineda's second half was horrible, trading just for non proved talent was crazy. Better to continue with non proved talent from within the organization. There was no point mentioning Cain Lincecum or Hamels first years they aren't in their first year anymore.

  4. Selector says:

    You must know about Bryce Harper and Mike Trout. Well like them, Montero was the # 1 hitting prospect in the minors. Harper and Trout is not getting traded away for some unproven risk. Most NYY fans gave Cash the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. That is why we said nothing before.