Why the Yankees not going for Troy Tulowitzki was a good move


Last night, the Toronto Blue Jays and the Colorado Rockies shocked the baseball world when they swapped Jose Reyes and Troy Tulowitzki, with the Blue Jays once again making the American League East division a little more of a race. Sure, the Yankees missed out on Tulowitzki, especially with the current set-up of the Yankees infield regarding Stephen Drew and Didi Gregorius, but believe it or not, the Yankees not going for someone like Tulowitzki was at the end of the day, a good deal. But why?

1. The Blue Jays haven’t addressed their main need.

The Blue Jays added to their starting lineup, which was already pretty powerful with the bats of Edwin Encarnacion, Josh Donaldson and Jose Bautista. But the Blue Jays main need isn’t offense, it’s starting pitching. And with the Blue Jays not addressing their main concern, the Tulowitzki deal shouldn’t affect the Yankees as much. The Jays were already able to produce offense, but they don’t have the starting pitching to help them gain ground in the AL East.

2. It’s (mostly) about the money.

Tulowitzki may have always enjoyed rooting for the Yankees as a kid, and his favorite Yankee may have been Derek Jeter, but what didn’t interest the Yankees was Tulowitzki’s contract. Tulowitzki is signed through the year 2020 with a club option for 2021 and his contract is worth $118 Million. With the contracts of Alex Rodriguez, Mark Teixeira, CC Sabathia, Brian McCann and Jacoby Ellsbury, the Yankees can’t afford to take on another big contract.

3. Tulowitzki has been hurt–a lot.

The Yankees need a durable shortstop in the infield and durable isn’t exactly Tulowitzki’s middle name. He hasn’t played more than 140 games since 2011 and he’s missed a lot of time battling hip issues. Does Stephen Drew have the numbers Tulowitzki has when healthy? No. But does Drew find a way to stay on the field without excuses? Yes. Gotta give Drew credit when it’s due.

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20 Responses to Why the Yankees not going for Troy Tulowitzki was a good move

  1. Terry says:

    I agree.The Blue Jays need pitching,pitching,pitching and they go get another bat.Not impressed.I wonder how this affects any other moves they need to make.Are they out on the front line pitchers?You would think that need would come first

    • Lawsher says:

      Reyes seems to be the anti-Jeter. Every team he has been part of has disappointed. As a Yankee fan, it was a comfort having him on the Blue Jays. Now I am more worried.

  2. tom says:

    If B-Jays could get Hamels for the same package that went to the Rockies then they are idiotic. However, B-Jays still have a shot to get solid SP like Latos, Gallardo or Haren as the addition to extra bat in Tulowitzki.

    #2 is the main reason why Cashman opted not to pursue Tulo.

    • hotdog says:

      I've got to wonder if the Jays were pursuing Hamels and what the Phillies asking price was…the Phillies may have been asking for their top 2 prospects…Amaro might be content to sit and see who bites knowing that he could probably work a trade in the off-season or next July if need be…

      • tom says:

        Out of top 5 via MLB site, Norris and Castro are already counted as MLB service time this season and Hoffman is traded. I am not sure about their OF situation but I could see B-Jays could afford to lose Norris and Pompey for Hamels. If true, that would be disturbing news for Yankees.

        In old tradition, Yankees jumped in and outbid the highest offer just to keep a certain player away from any team within the division. Dunno if Cashman has balls to do that way.

    • Hank Comren says:

      No, Tom, I think the main reason Cashman didn't pursue him is because he knew Tulo would be overvalued. Tulowitzki away from Coors simply isn't the same player. Let's look at the stats for his career:

      Coors: .324/.394/.558
      Everywhere else: .276/.349/.468

      Tulo at home has been a Hall of Fame player. Tulo on the road is something less than that. The Blue Jays traded a competent, brand-name starting shortstop, their top two pitching prospects and, according to reports, a player to be named to acquire someone who will improve them only marginally (Tulo had only 1.1.more WAR than Reyes) over the remaining games. To match that package, Cashman would have needed to offer Gregorius, Severino and Refsnyder plus somone, and in doing so he would have made the same mistake as the Blue Jays by not addressing more pressing needs. Mr. Cashman is a very wise man, something borne out if you check his phenomenal trading record. No GM is perfect, but Cashman is downright spooky when it comes to minimizing bad deals.

      • hotdog says:

        i believe the Blue Jays were happy to move Reyes…Tulo will be a draw in Toronto and if healthy will be another huge piece to their offense…that said, i am very glad Cashman stayed away from Tulo who becomes another big contract to feed…it would cost the Yankees 2 good prospects and they're better off waiting till the off-season where they could pick up a free agent with the only consequence to the farm system being they'd lose their 1st round pick…i'd like to see Gregorius develop, possibly hit .275 while continuing to play well at short…we have other needs to fill in the coming years…

        • tom says:

          Because of power line up, Reyes' speed is no longer a factor for them so Tulo's ability to bring runners in offer better value for them.

          Cashman doesn't mind having a big load of contract as long as it is a pitcher. He simply can't add another player with fat contract to the lineup.

          High profile players are being traded anyway so once the trade market downgrades to mid level contest Yankees "will" make a several trades to bolster the contending team for better shot at playoff.

      • tom says:

        His split is very good. He is not a Coor player like Carlos Gonzalez for sure.

        • Hank Comren says:

          His split is good, for sure, Tom, but he's not the superstar he is in Coors, and he's so, so brittle. I have to think playing on that turf will speed Tulo's decline, which may have already started.

          It wouldn't surprise me if the Yankees either don't make a trade, or trade for an incremental upgrade on the bench, for example a lefthanded bat better than Garret Jones and a power righthanded arm for the bullpen, but not a Chapman or a Papelbon. The Yankees don't get enough length from their starters–how's that for my overstating the obvious–so they may need another reliever come the postseason. Nick Goody intrigues me with all those Ks in the minors. He came up Saturday, right? I wonder why Girardi didn't put him in with a big lead on Sunday and a good lead last night.Those felt like perfect situations for a rookie reliever.

          By the way, I'm a first-timer here, and I must say I love the civil discourse I've found on this site. It's such a refreshing change from all the sniping I see on other sites.

  3. House44 says:

    I wonder why no one gives Drew any credit for helping develop Gregoriuos at SS. As a coach, manager, GM, I would have concerns about basically having two rookies up the middle. I think a large part of Drew's importance is his veteran defensive ability along side Didi. Let him develop (which he seems to be doing nicely) then let Refsnyder learn the big leagues after that. I know people don't like Drew's offense (aside from his 13 HR's) but a solid veteran presence means a lot and it seems to be working right now.

    • RomanX11 says:

      Gregorius is a three-year veteran, not a rookie, and Refsynder exudes the same confidence Jeter had as a rookie. Drew can provide a veteran presence as the Yankees utility infielder and you can use him for late inning defense. He simply doesn't hit enough to warrant a place in the lineup, but that doesn't mean the Yankees have to jettison him from the team. .

  4. Pounder says:

    Shields,Upton,and Kimbrel for Judge,Bird and Sanchez.Who blinks first?

    • Jeff B says:

      I'd take that deal. There are no guarantees that the Yankees are in the same place in '16 or 17. This is the last shot for these (aging) players. If you are going to go for it, do it. Otherwise, you have to hope that Judge, Bird and Sanchez are the real deal and build for the future.

      • hotdog says:

        i would not move Sanchez…

      • Hank Comren says:

        But, Jeff, Shields has been just awful with the Padres. His era is below league average, and his FIP indicates he's pitching even worse than that, and that's in a league without the DH. Upton. thus far, hasn't produced much more than Beltran, the man he'd replace and the Yankees don't have a pressing need for Kimbrel. Do you want to give away the team's best prospects for that bundle, particularly since Upton is a rental. Within a year, the Yankees will be the Phillies, a crumbling team without a farm system.

    • Alex says:

      No way!this is a terrible deal.Shields has a CC contract and would represent a slight upgrade over him for a year before fading like CC.Do not touch him.Upton replaces beltran in RF i assume but do we really have a need in the outfiled with CY and that deep minors? Kimbrel i like but the price is too steep.You are giving too much for 3 months of Upton,Shields and Kimbrel.

  5. House44 says:

    I realize Gregarious has been in the ML for really 2 years which is why I said basically a rookie( just over 600 AB in 2+ years) . I'm afraid trying to get Didi and Ref to come together from Day One would have been a tough call. While he may have Jeter like confidence, he does not have the skill set. I'm ready for Ref to move to 2B if there are no moves by deadline. Just saying, I think Drew's presence in the If with Didi has been overlooked.

    • Hank Comren says:

      I'm not sure what you mean when you write Ref doesn't have the skill set. He looks like a finished hitter, ready to hit major league pitching today. His defense is now far above average. Forget what you've read about his glove. Those writers clearly haven't followed his progress in the minors. He made too many errors in spring training and way too many errors during his first two weeks in the minors, but he's made only two in the last 10 weeks and the guy has more range than Drew and two-thirds of the second baseman in the majors. He's a terrific baserunner and smart basestealer (10 in 11 attempts). I can't think of anything else he needs. The beauty of this is that by keeping Drew on the bench, the Yankees can address your concerns.If Ref fails, Drew goes back in. If he succeeds, Drew becomes an asset off the bench, someone who can play second, short and third and deliver lefthanded pop as a pinch-hitter.

      • hotdog says:

        Cashman's been the GM for 17 years…in that time, how often has he brought up and kept a rookie as a regular from mid-season on (excluding relievers)…Cashman almost always has looked to fill the roster with veterans down the stretch…I'd like to see Ref get his shot but I would imagine there's incidentals that play a part in this decision…team chemistry for one…i'm not hopeful that Refsnyder gets his chance in pinstripes…i would not doubt if he gets traded before the 2016 season…

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