Hot Stove Rumors: Teams are calling about Michael Pineda

Trade rumors surrounding Brett Gardner and Chase Headley have cooled off a significant amount within the last three weeks. So it’s only fitting another Yankee name ends up in trade rumors before the holidays.

According to Andrew Marchand of ESPN, the Yankees have been offered several low-buy offers for Michael Pineda.

Pineda had a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde season, pitching to a 4.82 ERA in a career-high 175.2 IP. Pineda is slated to be a free agent after the 2017 season, and the Yankees could consider trading him by the July trade deadline. However to at least begin the 2017 season, the Yankees are going to count on Pineda to help stabilize what’s going to be a very young starting rotation.

The front office aren’t the only ones hoping that Pineda could pull it together. Manager Joe Girardi went on the record about Pineda’s mind boggling season and even the Yankee manager agreed that Pineda had to get it together next season.

“Sometimes you scratch your head,” Girardi said. “The average of batted balls in play off of him with two outs [.406] — it just doesn’t make sense. You look for reasons. Believe me, we’ll look; I’m sure we’ll look a long time this winter.

“He’s been through some tough times this year. He just needs to continue to improve. You look at some of the other numbers; BABIP [.340] is extremely high. You’d think some of that luck has got to change, and if it does, I think you’ll see a guy that’ll have a really good year.”

 

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21 Responses to Hot Stove Rumors: Teams are calling about Michael Pineda

  1. DADO RED says:

    I believe that the YANKEES have been more than patient with Pineda, if they can get a couple of minor leaguers, do it. The Doctor Jeckle/hyde has worn out. Makes me wonder if the New York syndrome is alive and well with Pineda?

  2. They're going to need him to pitch a solid 200 innings this year if they are going to have any shot at doing anything so they would have to replace those innings if they were to trade him. Maybe a deal similar to the Justin Wilson trade except slightly better prospects. I'm not against the idea, certainly helps the long-term plan since they are unlikely to sign him unless he has a huge year. But the Yankees are always pretending like they're just one lucky hot streak away from winning the world series so I doubt they'd trade him until the deadline and only then if they're not close in the pennant race.

    • Otto says:

      They would not get much for him right now. If they do not plan on resigning him then hopefully since it is a contract year he can put it together in the first half then deal him away in July. He usually has a good first half and declines in the second half. This trade did not work out for either team.

  3. buckeyeballs says:

    I'd trade him but the best scenario is he's plays well and they can get max value at the deadline. But if he plays well they might be in the race. He can't have much value now-needs a big ballpark to be effective. I'd much prefer to see Mitchell, Warren and Severino get the starts

  4. brooklyn joe says:

    If we have any chance to compete this year he must have a solid year, which is highly unlikely, that said can you imahjne how weak this staff would be without him. I'm still not sold on CC, i don't care what his stats showed, everytime he pitched we seemed to lose. If Severino and one of the young guys pan out, and he struggles trade hom in july.

    • The Yankees offense was 12th out of 15 AL teams. Most pitchers would not have winning records with that kind of support. A pitcher's win-loss record is a very poor way to evaluate them.

      • Brooklyn joe says:

        The only stat I care about is winning and losing, somehow Tanaka figured it out with a 12th ranked offense! Don't get me wrong , I have tremendous respect for CC as a great teammate and great past performer, but he will be exposed again this year, even if his stats look ok.

        • Tanaka has better stats than CC. Thus gets more wins than CC. I mean, look at Phil Hughes, one of the worst pitchers who ever won 18 games. He did it by some fluke where the Yankees scored 8 runs per game for him. This is simple stuff.

          • By the way, in 2016, CC Sabathia pitched better with less run support — a 3.87 ERA in games with 0-2 runs scored and a 4.67 ERA when the Yankees scored 6+ runs or more. So he pitched better when it mattered last year.

            Winning is the only thing that matters for the team, but which particular pitcher picks up the win is meaningless. Just like, I won't ever be disappointed with a 7-inning-1-run-allowed loss. A pitcher could potentially have a 1.00 ERA and an 0-20 record (however unlikely this is, still wouldn't be a poor reflection of the pitcher if it actually ever happened).

      • hotdog says:

        it’s funny how true that statement is…a good pitcher, pitches somewhat differently when they have a good offense vs. one in which the possibility of run support isn’t great…look at Andy Pettitte as an example…incredible run support, won over 100 games more than he lost but not a great pitcher looking at the stats alone…his stats would likely have been better playing for a team with a weak offense…and Pettitte knew how to bear down in a close game or when he faced another teams ace…

        • Pettitte had a 4.24 ERA in games where the Yankees scored 0-2 runs, and a 3.90 ERA in games where they scored 6 or more runs. So he pitched better when they scored more and struggled in tight games. This is the opposite of what you are saying. Tanaka has had a 3.53 ERA with 0-2 runs support and a 3.80 ERA with 6 or more runs. So he maybe slightly pitches better with more runs, but we're talking about 41 games so small sample sizes apply here and this is likely just a fluke. In reality, he probably pitches the same with or without a big lead. Just like David Cone says regularly during broadcasts, pitchers want to do their best no matter if they are ahead or behind.

          • hotdog says:

            I wasn’t talking about situations you gave as examples. This was more about an offense that could score runs vs. one that struggles to score. I’m talking more about the macro instead of what you’ve outlined, which is the micro. It’s more about the psyche of a pitcher that knows he has run support behind him. My memory of Pettitte is that he knew how to win big games. Stats are just stats and can be seen through a lot of difference lenses with a variety of meanings. One could get lost in stats and not see the forest for the trees.

  5. Jerry says:

    Yeah, there's no way they would get much in return for him right now, unless someone out there thinks they have the cure for his ills. Clearly huge talent, reminds me of Burnett, never really figuring it out. But like someone pointed out, more return possibly at the trade deadline. But let's hope with Pineda knowing he's gonna be a free agent, he needs to perform and does just that and we make the playoffs. And if the chips fall the right way and Severino becomes what we believe he can be, and maybe Mitchell or Sessa, become legitimate, who knows?

    • hotdog says:

      i agree Jerry, if there’s a deal to be made, it would possibly be at the trade deadline. The 2017 season is too young to cut ties with Pineda as much as he’s disappointed fans…fact is, we really don’t have a great rotation and if the Yankees plan on making the playoffs in 2017, they’ll have to rely on Pineda’s arm. Severino, Mitchell, Cessa and Warren all all possible starters but i can’t say if any of them will have better success than Pineda…but we should get a better look at these guys in 2017…focus should also be 2018..and if Pineda has a decent year, the Yankees options open in terms of considering a QO although he would really have to shine in 2017…

    • mosc says:

      Pineda's stuff is better than Burnett's ever was. Burnett had a big fastball that was totally straight and a curveball he couldn't control, Pineda's mostly a 2-seamer pitcher with both a slider and a change. Pineda's control is also second to none. They're not very comparable beyond ERA struggles.

      • Jerry says:

        The comparison I made had to do with not figuring it out. That's all, both possessing mounds (get it) of talent , but not putting it all together.

  6. Balt Yank says:

    He needs to go to the NL to a non contender and he'll be OK. He seems unable to locate inning to inning. He sorta falls off the map. I'd say Burnett had better location but also two good pitches when with us, limited. I guess Pineda's potential is a 96 MLH fastfall with movement. A successful pitcher needs more: control, location, multiple pitches, reading hitters, a change up, poise.

  7. hotdog says:

    I think you listen when other clubs are interested but these teams are trying to pick up Pineda in an attempt to make the playoffs in 2017…the Yankees want to do the same…find a better substitute with good experience as a starter and not one that leaves the bullpen short, then it makes sense but right now there’s too many unknowns…Pineda is a back end of the rotation pitcher capable of more, it won’t be easy to do better unless the Yankees make a big move…i say keep him unless a deal is too good to refuse…

  8. Olie says:

    They could trade him if they had someone to replace him which they don't. If they get his head straight he has potential to be a stud! Other than Tanaka , no one else on staff has his stuff!

    • hotdog says:

      that’s the issue in a nut shell Olie…we really don’t have another guy that can be slotted in with that kind of experience in the bigs…and I agree, he has great stuff, someday I hope he puts in together…

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